Thanks for this splash of reality to us terminally online. Hockey reference great because most Americans completely unaware of controversy from Trump call despite it appearing to be a war online. Enjoyed the game, smiled and went on with their lives.
Is there any way to convince the Democratic party to articulate exactly who they welcome? To satisfy this monstrous majority, a New Big Tent needs to show its boundaries. An easy start is No MAGA adherents. What should be easy but isn't: No DSA adherents. NYC is a great example of DSA running on the D ticket only to admittedly claiming to govern as DSA. Dems, let DSA run as it's own party and concentrate on welcoming 2/3rds of Americans who stand between the two extremes.
As far as the words centrist, moderate or nominal voter, I like the phrase Consensus Democrat. This is more reflective of the real voters who do have nuanced views, welcoming real progress that comes from nuanced support from this New Big Tent without insistence on left-wing polarizing progressive politics coming from the left and supposed middle.
We believe that party discipline is not available at the party level (one link below on that) ... the way to change the party message is to organize within it. The best way to beat the DSA is not to ask them to quit or leave, in part because there is little mechanism to do so but mostly because the way we get stronger is by DOING. Organizing is a muscle, not a battery - the more we use it, the stronger it gets.
Thanks for idea on the word "Consensus" - has the bonus of sounding like 'Common Sense'
Thanks for the reminder about that link, which I've reread and notice I was the only one to comment. I largely support the faction is future notion. But in my comment then as well as today, my lack of political chops has me scratching my head why popularization is not at least mandated on the DNC platform level by members to the right of the fringe left? Are these Consensus Democrat politicians and activists so unorganized right now they can't pull this off?
then as now, unfortunately - "Are these Consensus Democrat politicians and activists so unorganized right now they can't pull this off?" - the answer is yes
So true, but what to do about it. We need to get rid of this administration and their evil. I do not agree, like you said, that America is divided it is what they want us to think so they can further conquer us by fear.
The good news is there is so much we can do about it! Exactly because most voters are living their lives and have such clear priorities, the path forward is clear - respect voters by prioritizing the issues that show up in polls, embrace the stances taken by the candidates who perform well in red districts, and support those candidates with all we got. And a majority comes along with that.
Moderates' failure at governance and politics is just as bad as leftists'.
Moderates have not proven any ability to govern inside the party, not even crafting compromise proposals on any of the issues of the day. How can people who don't exercise real leadership inside a party be expected to lead the country? If you can't manage factions inside your party how are you going to manage Congress?
A key difference in the presidential primaries will be the filibuster. The one leftists were attacking for the last two decades but have now hypocritically embraced.
If moderates decide to defend the filibuster but then continue on their leftward drift, they will essentially be promising the country more deadlock. Deadlock favors the right structurally (given the current neoliberal status quo) and politically (given that further deterioration of the economy favors the far right -as is being seen in every single Western country-).
A moderate with actual leadership would call on a repeat of the Biden-Sanders negotiations and try to unite the party behind something that can lead to actual policy progress for the whole party and country.
Instead not a single one of the so called moderate potential presidential candidates is calling for any sort of moderation on absolutely a single one of the issues that contributed to costing the party elections in 2016 and 2024.
Due to short term polling, moderates have basically conceded that the left is right on immigration, tariffs, Gaza, Venezuela and Iran (and implicitly on transgender issues).
The main difference between moderates and the left nowadays is on issues that are not in the public eye as much anymore like climate change/energy and crypto/AI and that are unlikely to be major differentiators in the primaries.
The 2028 election will again be about affordability and the primaries will again be about electability.
Democrats can easily win unless there is some sort of economic miracle before then.
But the political environment and philosophy they will have continued nurturing until then is simply bad for democracy.
The only problem with this viewpoint is that while “normal,” somewhat apolitical people are going about their lives, Trump and company are completely destroying our country in plain sight. He lies constantly and FOX, which has the highest ratings of any “news” outlet, airs those lies as truth. And normal people end up thinking that there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans; that they’re all corrupt and only out for themselves, because they never hear the truth. They don’t know what the hell is going on, but choose to stay in the dark because they “don’t like politics.” It’s all insane and heartbreaking.
Are you sure "normal people end up thinking that there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans"? Based on our experiences - and political science, and election results, and polling - voters see significant differences between the parties. They just don't know which one to fear & loathe more. The party that can make them feel more welcome, actually prioritize their priorities & positions, wins. Always has been that way and always will be that way - just feels more intense now.
Thanks for this splash of reality to us terminally online. Hockey reference great because most Americans completely unaware of controversy from Trump call despite it appearing to be a war online. Enjoyed the game, smiled and went on with their lives.
Is there any way to convince the Democratic party to articulate exactly who they welcome? To satisfy this monstrous majority, a New Big Tent needs to show its boundaries. An easy start is No MAGA adherents. What should be easy but isn't: No DSA adherents. NYC is a great example of DSA running on the D ticket only to admittedly claiming to govern as DSA. Dems, let DSA run as it's own party and concentrate on welcoming 2/3rds of Americans who stand between the two extremes.
As far as the words centrist, moderate or nominal voter, I like the phrase Consensus Democrat. This is more reflective of the real voters who do have nuanced views, welcoming real progress that comes from nuanced support from this New Big Tent without insistence on left-wing polarizing progressive politics coming from the left and supposed middle.
We believe that party discipline is not available at the party level (one link below on that) ... the way to change the party message is to organize within it. The best way to beat the DSA is not to ask them to quit or leave, in part because there is little mechanism to do so but mostly because the way we get stronger is by DOING. Organizing is a muscle, not a battery - the more we use it, the stronger it gets.
Thanks for idea on the word "Consensus" - has the bonus of sounding like 'Common Sense'
https://www.welcomestack.org/p/organizing-beats-debating?s=r
Thanks for the reminder about that link, which I've reread and notice I was the only one to comment. I largely support the faction is future notion. But in my comment then as well as today, my lack of political chops has me scratching my head why popularization is not at least mandated on the DNC platform level by members to the right of the fringe left? Are these Consensus Democrat politicians and activists so unorganized right now they can't pull this off?
then as now, unfortunately - "Are these Consensus Democrat politicians and activists so unorganized right now they can't pull this off?" - the answer is yes
So true, but what to do about it. We need to get rid of this administration and their evil. I do not agree, like you said, that America is divided it is what they want us to think so they can further conquer us by fear.
The good news is there is so much we can do about it! Exactly because most voters are living their lives and have such clear priorities, the path forward is clear - respect voters by prioritizing the issues that show up in polls, embrace the stances taken by the candidates who perform well in red districts, and support those candidates with all we got. And a majority comes along with that.
Moderates' failure at governance and politics is just as bad as leftists'.
Moderates have not proven any ability to govern inside the party, not even crafting compromise proposals on any of the issues of the day. How can people who don't exercise real leadership inside a party be expected to lead the country? If you can't manage factions inside your party how are you going to manage Congress?
A key difference in the presidential primaries will be the filibuster. The one leftists were attacking for the last two decades but have now hypocritically embraced.
If moderates decide to defend the filibuster but then continue on their leftward drift, they will essentially be promising the country more deadlock. Deadlock favors the right structurally (given the current neoliberal status quo) and politically (given that further deterioration of the economy favors the far right -as is being seen in every single Western country-).
A moderate with actual leadership would call on a repeat of the Biden-Sanders negotiations and try to unite the party behind something that can lead to actual policy progress for the whole party and country.
Instead not a single one of the so called moderate potential presidential candidates is calling for any sort of moderation on absolutely a single one of the issues that contributed to costing the party elections in 2016 and 2024.
Due to short term polling, moderates have basically conceded that the left is right on immigration, tariffs, Gaza, Venezuela and Iran (and implicitly on transgender issues).
The main difference between moderates and the left nowadays is on issues that are not in the public eye as much anymore like climate change/energy and crypto/AI and that are unlikely to be major differentiators in the primaries.
The 2028 election will again be about affordability and the primaries will again be about electability.
Democrats can easily win unless there is some sort of economic miracle before then.
But the political environment and philosophy they will have continued nurturing until then is simply bad for democracy.
The only problem with this viewpoint is that while “normal,” somewhat apolitical people are going about their lives, Trump and company are completely destroying our country in plain sight. He lies constantly and FOX, which has the highest ratings of any “news” outlet, airs those lies as truth. And normal people end up thinking that there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans; that they’re all corrupt and only out for themselves, because they never hear the truth. They don’t know what the hell is going on, but choose to stay in the dark because they “don’t like politics.” It’s all insane and heartbreaking.
Are you sure "normal people end up thinking that there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans"? Based on our experiences - and political science, and election results, and polling - voters see significant differences between the parties. They just don't know which one to fear & loathe more. The party that can make them feel more welcome, actually prioritize their priorities & positions, wins. Always has been that way and always will be that way - just feels more intense now.