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Randall Bennington's avatar

I saw this on Twitter, but thought it was better to read the whole thing before I commented.

1 - You are flat correct on the messaging incoherence. Dems are headless, and more than anything, that is their problem.

2 - In the blame game, the Dems are so low they can almost afford to take the hit. Especially Schumer, who I think is going to bow out to AOC.

3 - What I don't buy is your end-game. "Several Dems Fold" maybe, but if they fold on the Filbuster instead, that is a net improvement.

4 - Trump gives cover to the GOP, the shutdown gives cover to the Dems, and you might even get a *Rare* bi-partisan gimme.

5 - Then the GOP owns the bill entirely. And while Dems have 0% chance of getting 60 votes in the next 3 cycles, they have a good chance to win 50+1.

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Twirling Towards Freedom's avatar

There were some signs on #4. Trump loves a deal and goes off the reservation all the time so it is possible, although I’m skeptical

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Joan MG's avatar

I understand the Base Anger Management concept that you're laying out though, and it's valid and worth exploring! I don't think it is a perfect overlay for this particular situation.

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Joan MG's avatar

I appreciate your data points, but I'm not convinced that a devastating number of voters will be blind to the fact that Republicans were unable to pass funding — when they control all branches of government. It's a fairly straightforward situation.

It is logical for Democrats to ask to negotiate, for concessions. They already gave in without using leverage once this year. That's enough to show good faith to the country.

I think this is probably a widely understandable course of action. If you redact the "R" and "D" identifiers, how many people would do differently? Or advise a friend to do so?

And the current president is the author of a book titled The Art of the Deal?

Come on.

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Jim McBride's avatar

Schumer needed Mika's help to explain his message on Morning Joe last week. He needs to go regardless.

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Twirling Towards Freedom's avatar

I guess I don’t understand why progressives think there is a hand to be played here? What leverage do Dems have? What do they want? What do they think the end game is here?

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