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George Shay's avatar

This is an excellent perspective. It's what happens when the Augustinian concept of City of God is confused with what he called City of Man. In other words, when religion and faith ceased to be spiritual realms and were incorporated into the state. Socialism is essentially a secular religion with no God. It's also known as secular humanism, and it's a substitute for religious faith. Unfortunately, it doesn't work, because since there's no God, some human being is, in effect, made God. In a Soviet system, that was Lenin or Stalin or Marx. By definition, it's what religious people refer to as idolatry, because every human being has feet of clay and has a dark side.

I couldn't agree with you more that moderates in the Democrat Party need to push back on this, because it will be the ruination of our nation. I can assure you that those of us who are independent and center-right will fight to the last breath to defeat these people. We know what happened under socialism in the 20th century and what's happening today in the 21st. Look at North Korea. There's a perfect example of a tin-horn god-man that is driving his people into the depths of despair. They are prisoners.

We're not going to do that. We'll resist it by literally any means necessary. The Democrats better do it too, or they're doomed. They are no longer going to be Democrats. They're going to be communists, because that's what DSA is. In fact, I think they're worse than communists.

So kudos on a magnificent perspective on this whole issue, and I hope that it is disseminated far and wide through the Democrat Party. I think people like James Carville understand this, and Al Hunt, and some of the more courageous and conscientious Democrats. But a lot of them are really held hostage by these crazy DSA nutballs, and they need to break free of that, because in the end, it will be their doom.

Ollie Parks's avatar

This comment demonstrates the problem with calling socialism a “secular religion.” The metaphor quickly becomes a theological argument that people who cease believing in God must worship the state instead. That is not an explanation of socialism. It is a religious judgment about unbelievers.

The historical record alone should give pause. Socialism became a mass movement in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, when organized religion was thriving and churches were central to communal life. It grew because of industrialization, dangerous working conditions, enormous inequalities of wealth and the political weakness of labor. Some socialists were atheists; others were devout Christians who regarded socialism as an expression of their faith. Evidently, socialism does not require a religious vacuum.

Nor is socialism “also known as secular humanism.” Secular humanism is a nontheistic ethical outlook; it prescribes no particular economic system. Humanists may be socialists, liberals, social democrats or libertarians. Equating every non-Christian philosophy with socialism and then every kind of socialism with Stalin and North Korea does not establish a chain of causation. It merely groups together everything the writer dislikes.

The DSA’s program is radical enough to deserve forceful criticism on its actual merits. There is no need to pretend that a DSA candidate competing in a Democratic primary is an embryonic Kim Jong Un. Nor does invoking Augustine improve that argument. Augustine’s two cities were communities defined by different kinds of love, not simply “the spiritual realm” on one side and the secular state on the other.

Most disturbing is the promise to resist these people “by literally any means necessary.” Someone claiming to defend democratic government ought to understand that the means matter. Once political opponents have been declared idolaters, communists, “worse than communists” and agents of national ruin, abandoning democratic restraints can begin to sound righteous. That is exactly how political belief becomes dangerous—and the danger in this comment is not coming entirely from the left.

Marlene Barbera's avatar

This is ten years too late.

Men are not women. DEI is racism and Israel has every right to exist and to defend itself. Schools have no business transing children or activating them politically or passing them along whether they can read or write or do math.

It has all happened under Democratic aegis- across the last 12 years. I have watched in horror as my beloved Democratic Party, the Party of my grandparents and parents and my grown children has thrown itself into this pyre.

I cannot imagine what would ever woo me back.

Because I do not trust them.

I am glad my parents are dead and cannot see where their liberal beliefs have led us.

ban nock's avatar

It's no wonder the DSA has become popular. If I am to understand the four bullet points.

*Health care is important, we should talk about it.

*Those other rich people are the problem and increasing their taxes a fraction of a percent of the deficit will show we are really really serious,, really.

*Defund the police that enforce the laws we don't like and we'll keep the 20 million low wage workers to clean our apartments and deliver restaurant food.

*Free college for us and train the plebes to take those now low wage jobs in the trades that we just imported 20 million workers to do.

DSA is looking better all the time, Chomsky said nice things about the Khmer Rouge, they can't all be bad.

Michael D. Purzycki's avatar

Great article!

The DSA defenders who call for a big-tent Democratic Party forget what FDR’s big tent looked like. Socialists and communists had their own parties in the 1930s, and FDR’s coalition included lots of conservative Democrats (and I don’t just mean Southern segregationists). A big Democratic majority today that resembled FDR’s would be formed by winning back the moderate and conservative-leaning Democrats alienated from the party by social and cultural issues over the last decade or more, not by embracing a far left that will alienate those people even more.

Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

There is much truth in this article, but also a massive major flaw. The DSA is driven in part by its alliance with the Islamofascists represented by Piker, Mamdani, El Sayed, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, etc. The secular "religion" of the Left will be overwhelmed and displaced by the intolerant and bigoted religion of Islam should the DSA prevail. This is a true religious invasion of America with its traditional Judeo-Christian Western values. If Democrats enable this tragedy to occur...they will NEVER recover. The liberal white Karens of the secular religion will have brought on the worst nightmare vision of a Hand Maid's Tale on themselves.

Midlife Musings's avatar

Excellent analysis. Really gets to the heart of so many political viewpoints. Let’s hope this great country doesn’t fall for the false and misleading promises of the DSA. Moderates on both sides need to speak out and be more active in politics. Extremists are ruining it for the majority middle.

Ronda Ross's avatar

All of the author's proposals are not exactly "moderate", except perhaps for DSA members. A public health option, for catastrophic coverage, could be plausible. Otherwise the proposal encompasses a remodel of 18% of the economy, because it will likely kill private insurance.

A Billionaire tax hike is likely passable, assuming they do not all decamp for Bermuda or the Cayman Islands in the world's first umbrella drink tax strike.

The notion of investing in education, in a country that already spends more K-12 per pupil than nearly any other nation on earth, all to fail miserably, seems more slogan than policy. More than 1/2 of US public schools students cannot perform at grade level. If we cannot teach students to read, write and perform Math, we should probably have a better system before we expand our efforts.

Reasonable people can debate Immigration and mass migration, which are entirely two different things. What Dems undertook was the wholesale bypass of decades of US Immigration law. Deportation isn't applicable only to violent criminals, but to anyone who resides in the US illegally. If Dems want to amend those laws and replace ICE with a different agency, they should propose new legislation and a new agency, negotiate the specifics, and pass a new law.

It is hard to ignore the elephant in the room. Some of these "moderate" proposals require a vast expansion of government, as we sit on $40 trillion dollars in debt. The devil is always in the details, and how we pay for it.

Brian Elliot's avatar

As always Brenda your point are cogent, concise and clear common sense. I'm always glad to see you here.

Dyann Berndt's avatar

Sounds to me like you're hoping the fascists stay in power. The DSA is the only wing of the party that's FINALLY running for We, the People. Contrary to popular belief amongst so-called experts, the majority of Americans are not Centrists, whether that be Centrist Right or Centrist Left. If you're not on board with politicians working for the people and not corporate America and not the technocrats and not the billionaires and not Israel, you should probably go join the other side.

PapayaSF's avatar

You might be right that the majority are not centrists, it's the centrists plus MAGA. That looks like an unsolvable problem for both the DSA and the DNC.

Bob Griendling's avatar

Why "The Long View' has taken as its main goal to pillory DSA is beyond me. You're overreacting.

1. People who vote for leftist candidates have no idea what the DSA's party platform is. What they're voting for is a path forward that isn't The Long View's cautious approach that has alienated so many Democrats and deemed ineffectual Biden 2.0 by persuadable Trump voters. Investing in education? A public option? Job training? Do you think people who've been struggling for decades see these ideas as their salvation?

2. Even DSA candidates don't subscribe to the party platform that was probably written by a few people that no one listens to. But you constantly bring it up to scare people.

What Dems need is bold thinking and a little courage: https://bobgriendling.substack.com/p/dems-have-a-chance-in-november

jeff's avatar

The vast majority of voters want more effective government. The establishment from both parties has failed to deliver this basic and essential aspect of politics. Hence the emergence of resistance movements to both parties.

If the DSA serves as a wake up call for the Democrats, the way MAGA picked up the Tea Party movement's goals on the right, so be it.

I'm certainly not voting for more politicians to collect salaries while sitting on their asses accomplishing nothing and shrugging their shoulders at the rest of us.

None of the current DSA are as terrible as Biden and Harris were at their jobs, I'll say that much for them.

If the moderates can come up with new, younger, and more effective politicians I'll listen.

If it's the newcomers from the DSA or some slobbery senile old fart like Schumer, well, dip me in red paint and call me a socialist (I'm not, but compared to Schumer and other ancient and ineffective pols, I'll take my chances, just like many other voters).

The establishment's failures are why the DSA exists. Stop failing and they'll go away.

Democritus's avatar

You have ignored the non-secular left that has disguised itself as secular-DSA.

Martin Lowy's avatar

We should not begin from the premise that the system is broken. The system is imperfect, and always will be imperfect. The goal of the Democratic Party should be to make it better by governing better and more in the interest of a broader segment of the population. A better public health option is number one. Better education is number two. Treating people better – that is treating everyone, including foreigners – better is number three.

The vast majority of Americans are doing OK financially. It is the disgusting attitude of Trump and his people that make Americans think that they are not doing as well as they are.

Kryssa's avatar

Many of the ideas of the DSA are dumb, extreme and unrealistic, but lack of religion on the left is not the problem. It's insane economic inequality and the destructive actions of the people in power that have led people to yearn for socialism, or at least some idealized form of it. The billionaires ARE the problem. No one needs that much money, especially when they use it to control the levers of politics, society, and culture and give nothing back. At least the Gillded Age robber barons, as horrible as they were, built some museums and other civic institutions. The tech billionaires just want to built data centers in other people's neighborhoods and go to the space.

Brian Elliot's avatar

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Sea Sentry's avatar

Sounds terrible, Kryssa. So where on earth would you prefer to live?

Kryssa's avatar

It is. What's your point? Just suck it up and shut up?

Sea Sentry's avatar

My point is that you can’t compare life with an idealized notion that’s never existed. You have to compare it with a real choice in a real world. Every manifestation of political options already exists around the world, limited by the fact that we are humans. Choose carefully.

Seth Schwartz's avatar

My philosophy is to either come up with a better alternative, or else to accept the situation as is.

Also, read The American Dream by Alexander Green. He provides strong evidence showing how the presence of millionaires and billionaires jumpstarts the economy. Socialism doesn’t work - it just makes everyone equally miserable.

Richard's avatar

You are whistling past the graveyard. The Democratic Party, at least since FDR, has been an advocate of the welfare state. In an ideological sense, this is different than all out socialism but it more or less ends in the same place with the government in charge of everyone's well-being. The line gets fuzzier with each DSA victory.

As for Republicans, you are stuck in the 1990s. The Evangelicals are still part of the Republican coalition but no longer the driving force. Whatever you think of Trump, religious piety does not come to mind. Perhaps he identifies more now after the legal persecution and the repeated assassination attempts but he adopts the respectful attitude toward religion of every President in my lifetime. Only Jimmy Carter was a true believer. When you look at the makeup of Christians in the US, you have to combine 4 denominations plus the non-denominational group to obtain a group larger than Catholics who are left-wing about everything except abortion. And then there are the Mainline Protestant denominations who outnumber any evangelical group except Southern Baptists and are left wing. The substantial black church is evangelical in style but leftwing in politics and outnumber any evangelical denomination except Southern Baptists (and any of the mainline Protestants). Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists combined outnumber any Christian group except Catholics and the Unaffiliated tie with Catholics as the largest group. It is this latter group where the secular religion has its greatest recruiting success.

Brownson's Occasional Blog's avatar

The Apostles' Creed is taken literally by far more than the "religious right." It is the foundation of the Christian faith and should be taken literally by anyone identifying as Christian. The problem with the religious right is that, corporately, they often cross the line between the political and religious realm but that is not to say that individual Christians should not bring their beliefs into the political realm, just as anyone else would.

A_Woman's avatar
6mEdited

The Dems began to religiously adhere to gender ideology starting around 2012-2014. It has many of the hallmarks of a religion.

1) Revelation. Gender identity is treated as an inner essence that adults must recognize, not a hypothesis that might be wrong. Sex becomes “assigned.” Disagreement becomes “erasure.”

2) The holy innocent. The child who says “I am the other sex” is not a patient with a cluster of comorbidities, social contagion risk, autism, trauma, or same-sex attraction. The child is a truth-teller. Adults who hesitate are the danger.

3) The sacrament. Social transition, pronouns, secret school names, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and in some cases surgery are not experimental medical responses to a poorly understood condition. They are “life-saving care.” Once you call a treatment life-saving, opposing it is attempted murder.

4) The martyr story. Suicide statistics are used the way older revivalists used Hell: not as a careful epidemiological claim, but as a threat that ends the argument. “Would you rather have a dead son or a live daughter?” is not medicine. It is an altar call.

5) The blasphemy code. Saying “men are not women,” “minors cannot consent to infertility,” or “girls’ sports are for girls” is not an empirical claim. It is a sin against the child.